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PostSubject: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:11 pm

"In 1802, as British essayist Walter Bagehot noted, 'every hereditary monarch in Europe was insane'.

"George III of England (1738-1820) was taken to Kew Palace in a straitjacket in 1801 and never seen in public again.

"Queen Maria I of Portugal (1734-1816), whose half-wit husband was also her uncle, liked to dress like a little girl and throw temper tantrums.

"Christian VII of Denmark (1749-1808) ran around the palace smashing furniture and banging his head until it bled.

"Russian Emperor Paul I (1754-1801) may have been a paranoid schizophrenic, and was given to unpredictable behavior: In 1797, he banned shoes with laces, then sent troops into the streets of St. Petersburg with orders to kill anyone violating his edict.

"Ludwig I of Bavaria (1786-1868) was prone to wander the city of Munich in rags carrying a tattered umbrella."

--Uncle John's Endlessly Engrossing Bathroom Reader, 2009, p. 104.

And let's not get started on the Habsburgs.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:20 pm

George III was a Habsburg... There's just no avoiding such a famous and inbred family.

All European royalty became inbred - Insanity ensued...
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:41 pm

Then they moved to north american and changed their name to Findlay
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:06 am

It is good to know that Carter regards me as royalty...

A royal pain in the ...

Actually, the main line of the habsy's is still in Europe. Perhaps trying to re-establish the Empire.

http://www.antiquesatoz.com/habsburg/habsburg-family.htm




The Spanish line of the Habsburgs never made it to the 1800's

Check out the family tree of the last ruler of that line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carlos_segundo80.png

His Mom's Mom is actually his Dad's Sister = Auntie Grandma. There is a ton more of that sort of thing in the generations preceding him.

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There was also insanity in Charles's family; his great-great-great(-great-great, depending along which lineage one counts) grandmother, Joanna of Castile ("Joanna the Mad"), mother of the Spanish King Charles I (who was also Holy Roman Emperor Charles V) became insane early in life. Joanna was two of Charles' 16 great-great-great-great-grandmothers, six of his 32 great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, and six of his 64 great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:13 pm

Ludwig's condition for joining the German confederation was that they build him a castle, so that's why Neuschwanstein (sp?) was built.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:27 pm

Wilhelm wrote:
George III was a Habsburg... [...]
What's your source for this?
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:59 pm

nope house of Hanover, no hapsburg blood as far as I know.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:12 pm

The source is Wikipedia.

I failed to specify how distant the relationship was. It's actually not that distant but it takes some maneuvering

George III is the great grandson of George I (the first of the Hanover line).

George I's dad is a fellow named Ernest Augustus - Elector of Brunswick Luneburg. This chap is a descendant of the Abertinian line of the Habsburgs. It is through him that Elizabeth II is also a distant part of the Habsburg family (at least he is one way to tie Elizabeth to the Habsburgs).
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:44 pm

and I'm 45 generations desended from Cnut the great.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:45 pm

Although you may be 45 generations removed from Cnut no one orchestrated the unions in order to preserve or re-establish a bloodline. There was no multi-generational strategy of marrying cousins or an aunt and nephew as is common in European royalty.

George I was only 7 or 8 generations away from a ruling head of the Habsburg Dynasty - on both sides of his family. George I's mother is also a descendant of the Habsburg line. Her Great, great, great, great great grandfather was Holy Roman Emperor. Imagine that a Hapsburg marrying another Hapsburg... (that link is distant enough that it is unlikely to cause any genetic issues but who knows how many other inbreeding steps occurred along the way).

Things are hard to track as the house name changes as soon as the generational link passes through the female member of the household. Even with that name change much of the European Royalty is made up from a very closely bred group. The propensity for insanity may be related.
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PostSubject: Re: Insane monarchs, early 19th century   Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:11 pm

On a related note, see http://oracleofbacon.org/

This site calculates the degrees between any two people in IMDb.com's extensive database.
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