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PostSubject: knigts of Luna   Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:21 am

One of the orcs bane folks is a Knight of Luna,

who are they?
their mission statement?
who are they loyal too?

Was this group self starting or sent by the Knights to support our actions?

Is there anyone higher up we can meet with to discuss synergies with these knights?
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PostSubject: What is generally known about the Knights of Luna   Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:27 am

The Knights of Luna is an order of knights (made up of elves and half-evles)most often encountered in or near Celene. They espouse values that call for elven leadership in the cause of good, as well as preserving the monarchy of Celene. Understandably, this has brought them into some conflict with the policies of Queen Yolande. Prince Melf is generally acknowledged as the leader of the order, although there is no strict hierarchy.

You could always ask Rimson if he is acting on an official capacity as a representitive of the Knights.

If you are fighting Orcs, the Knights will probably be of friendly disposition, especially due to the closeness to Celene's borders.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:39 pm

yes we need to have that discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:49 pm

We should probably leverage my elfishness in the discussions and negotiations. Demonstrating elf acceptance sounds like it would be appropriate.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:24 pm

I don't think its much of an issue Doug, ever since we landed we've left them alone and been very respectfull about their borders, and just as respectful about not driving orcs into their lands. I'm quite sure they've been watching us and know more about us than we do.

We've also treated orcs bane well so they now we aren't anti elf or anything.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:30 am

This is a group of elf-supremists. "They espouse values that call for elven leadership in the cause of good".

There is a difference between "not being anti-elf" and valuing elf.

To be void of elf in dealings with them would be to squander a positive influencing factor. Or even worse since they know about Cirdastan and are likely aware of my presence they could be deeply concerned when an envoy shows up and there is no sign of an elf. They may conclude elven kind are not valued or perhaps (gasp) they may even be subordinate. Remember I was seen serving drinks at the party in Greyhawk (I know it was my idea but, they don't).

All that I'm suggesting is that Harcourt be present - perhaps in the stated role of Advisor. It doesn't matter if I speak or not. If it appears that you value elfy-ness enough to have me as an Advisor it will be seen in a positive light.

Think of it like this - "We don't hate elves" vs. "Elves are so great we heed their sage advice in matters of state and policy". When dealing with elf-supremists which will be seen more positively?
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:59 am



Sending you or exploiting your elfyiness could also be seen as petty sucking up. They might know you exits but they certainly know you are not one of the founders. Elves are not dumb and emphasizing your presence when you have no power in town would be seen as a cheap ploy. I think our association with and our treatment of Orcs bane is adequate to show our intent, they also have our trust, a fair amount of autonomy and support to do what they need to do. If our treatment or behavior was not above board the elves would probably leave.

I don't interpret this the same as you do, the elf supremacists are the those in Celene that think they are too good/important to die in petty wars with orcs and let mere man kingdoms suffer from the hoards.

Yes these knights are racially exclusive but if they are but a faction of a elf nation of course they are going to be elf centric, However the fact they are willing to take sides in the conflicts makes them man friends.

Its up to you if you want to be present if and when we meet a higher up but don't push it like some "Affirmative Action plan'. You also have to consider if you do want to be our Beria and form the kingdoms KGB/NKVD you have to consider when are where you are going to be seen public. I'm however thinking I should loan you the hat of disguise so you can lead a double life in town.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:21 pm

Dear Elf-Friend Rild,

They are not dumb. They clerly know I am not a founder and hold no title or office. They may also know I do not aspire to one (I'm far to self-absorbed to worry about a town full of humans).

Advisor is a simple and feasible position that they could easily believe. I do travel with the founders and share in their adventuring exploits. I am clearly a trusted companion. It's a small and extremely reasonable step to believe I am also an advisor in matters of state (decent charisma and wisdom coupled with high intelligence support that possibility). (In particular my knowledge of interior decorating, cookie baking and toy making would be of key value to the town)

It's not exploiting it, it's simply showing them you value elfy-ness. Clearly your actions show you do. These elves clearly value elf leadership (it's a stated value). Truthfully demonstrating that you have an elf in your entourage simply can't be a bad thing.

Elves don't need an affirmative action plan and would be appalled at the thought of one - In their eyes Elves Lead. They don't need to be supported. As stated above, I have no aspitations for office - Beria certainly did. I'm just pointing out you should leverage an existing situation to improve the bond with a neighbour.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:30 pm

We should work out a buy in package for you. your continued KGB work + $ contributions for a tower , just like what I'm asking the founders to put up.
You know you'll never get your memories back and may as well go native with the lowly hu-mans who dress their women


There is another issue here, if we make nice with the knights of Luna what happens when we try to make diplomatic contact with Celene?

These Knights appear to openly defying Celene's prime directive so can we befriend both successfully? if not since Celene is isolationist and of little value to us other than a safe border making nice with the knights seems more important.





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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:05 pm

By remaining Neutral and providing banking services to all sides, Switzerland seemed to successfully work both sides of the fence for decades.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:55 am

Think of the Knights of Luna as having a 'noblesse oblige' as opposed to a supremicist viewpoint. Since an elf life span tends to be on the order of ten times that of a human, they look at things more long term.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:09 pm

Jonathan wrote:
The Knights of Luna is an order of knights (made up of elves and half-evles)most often encountered in or near Celene. They espouse values that call for elven leadership in the cause of good, as well as preserving the monarchy of Celene. Understandably, this has brought them into some conflict with the policies of Queen Yolande. []
What is the conflict? Is Yolande not Celene's monarch? Are the knights' actions threatening to break the truce between Celene and the Pomarj?
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:12 pm

This thread hurts to read because of the jumping around between in-game and meta-game talk.
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PostSubject: Re: knigts of Luna   Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:54 am

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What is the conflict? Is Yolande not Celene's monarch? Are the knights' actions threatening to break the truce between Celene and the Pomarj?

Yes she is queen and the knights appear to be ignoring her orders to stay out of Human politics and strife.

I don't know if the Pomarj and Celene were signatories to the peace of Greyhawk, the ocrs are still actively fighting with the southern Kingdoms, and we certainly threaten the peace ourselves by setting up shop in orc held land.

So Jonathan, are the Knights enemies of the Elf State? Are they persona non grata in Celene?

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